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Post by odoprelude on Jun 11, 2007 11:39:47 GMT -5
Gee.. lets see.. start with the obvious:
Gonipora Avelepora (sp?) Elegance
anyone else?
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Post by mcox33 on Jun 11, 2007 13:30:26 GMT -5
dendronepthia (sp?)
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Post by Jo-Mar's Pets on Jun 11, 2007 21:43:45 GMT -5
Also known as Carnation coral, silk coral and sometimes lace.
Lets not forget Blue Palm, extremely rare and impossible to keep long term.
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Post by ltpiper on Jun 12, 2007 9:00:47 GMT -5
Lets not forget Blue Palm, extremely rare and impossible to keep long term. Are you refering to the Neptheis sp tunicate Blue Palm?
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Post by Jo-Mar's Pets on Jun 12, 2007 17:34:03 GMT -5
The one and the same. They last about a month or two if you feed phytos and provide an ideal zone for them.
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Post by brockfluharty on Jun 17, 2007 19:10:42 GMT -5
Not sure if they are classified as a coral, but I think that most gorgonians should be avoided.
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Post by ADMIN2 on Jun 18, 2007 1:01:09 GMT -5
Not all gorgonians are difficult to keep. Some are photosynthetic. However, most of the gorgonians that are really colorful are nonphotosynthetic and should be avoided IMO. If they have brown polyps they are usually photsynthetic.
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Post by Jo-Mar's Pets on Jun 18, 2007 10:23:04 GMT -5
Yeh Gorgonians are a bit tricky. Of course stay away from the bright ones unless you have previous experience keeping them. Gorgs are a complicated coral, most of them are aposymbiotic and require only food, light is not needed but water flow must be precise and emulate ocean conditions. Most aposymbiotic Gorgs die because of algae build up on them due to insufficient flow and to much light.
Like Phil said most safe Gorgs will have brown or tan polyps rather than the bright reds, blues, whites and yellows that aposymbiotic ones tend to develop. There are only a small handful that I would ever recommend taking home.
If you're still not sure just don't buy it.
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Post by brockfluharty on Jun 18, 2007 14:56:04 GMT -5
Non-photosynthetic gorgs always have white polyps.
I find gorgonians quite unattractive anyway...
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Post by Jo-Mar's Pets on Jun 18, 2007 22:22:19 GMT -5
Ahh well we all have our own likes and dislikes, thats what makes us individuals and not clones
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Post by ADMIN2 on Jul 3, 2007 23:47:01 GMT -5
I think Sun Polyps and Red Chili coral should be avoided by most hobbyists. Really, I think most nonphotosynthetic coral should be avoided unless you are very aware of their requirements and are willing to meet them.
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Post by ADMIN on Jul 4, 2007 20:33:06 GMT -5
I agree I have many arguments with newbies who get sun polyps and think they are "fine" because they have only had them for 2 months or so truth is they have no idea what a healthy one looks like anyway. Nor do they have the time or care to give the coral what it needs for long term survival. Frags are possible but not likely to survive so I agree, don't buy these unless you know how to take care of them and don't sell/trade them unless you tell people what it takes to keep them alive.
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Post by ADMIN2 on Aug 17, 2007 0:06:07 GMT -5
All Acropora species should be avoided by newbies. If you are new to the hobby and you want to get your feet wet in SPS, you should try pocilliporas and montiporas before delving into acros. Also it would be very benenfitial to your coral to read about how to keep your water parameters and what equipment you need in order to keep SPS coral.
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Post by ADMIN2 on Sept 26, 2007 20:24:10 GMT -5
Non-photosynthetic gorgs always have white polyps. I find gorgonians quite unattractive anyway... I believe this statement is incorrect. I may be wrong, but if I recall correctly I had an orange gorgonian with orange polyps and I can guarantee you it was nonphotosynthetic.
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Post by Jo-Mar's Pets on Sept 26, 2007 22:27:18 GMT -5
Yep I've had a red polyp, blue polyp and yellow polyp non-photosynthetic in fact you can drop by the shop and see the two golden sea rods in the 150 that I'm attempting.
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Post by snowstar on Mar 24, 2008 15:23:19 GMT -5
Hmmm welll - I might want to debate elegance making the list but other than that its a pretty good list of avoids.... which brings me to the reason for my post. Many people "back in the day" have successfully kept elegance for many years - I have been among the "lucky" with bali and tonga species... the problem comes in when you continue to add new different and exciting corals to your tank and suddenly you have a tank of corals that would never occur together in nature. Now you have to pick what to support and needless to say someone in the tank suffers.
So unless you are prepared to truly understand what you are putting in and what the whole biotope you are creating requires all corals(sps, lps,soft), anenmones, and maybe depending on the reefkeeper even fish should be avoided..... Just my quarter and a few cents.....
L
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Post by Jo-Mar's Pets on Mar 24, 2008 18:47:34 GMT -5
That sounds about right
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Post by naclh20nut on Mar 7, 2009 14:23:50 GMT -5
I agree I have many arguments with newbies who get sun polyps and think they are "fine" because they have only had them for 2 months or so truth is they have no idea what a healthy one looks like anyway. Nor do they have the time or care to give the coral what it needs for long term survival. Frags are possible but not likely to survive so I agree, don't buy these unless you know how to take care of them and don't sell/trade them unless you tell people what it takes to keep them alive. Can you post a pic of a sun polyp. I think I have two on a frag plug.
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Post by naclh20nut on Mar 12, 2009 6:56:44 GMT -5
Bump, anyone with a pic?
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Post by daviddelp09 on Mar 25, 2009 17:51:15 GMT -5
I have been curious about the elegance coral for awhile but i havent actually went and purchased one. just curious why i shouldnt attempt it? what makes it difficult. i dont know much about it thats why i havent went and got one.
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Post by ADMIN2 on Mar 25, 2009 18:23:51 GMT -5
Once upon a time elegance coral used to be one of the most easiest coral to keep. However, around the mid 90's they became difficult to keep. It probably lies primarily with pathogens they come into contact with while in holding facilities but no one is quite sure what the reason is why they have became so difficult to keep.
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Post by ADMIN2 on Mar 25, 2009 18:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by ADMIN on Mar 25, 2009 23:52:20 GMT -5
I agree although IF you understand that sun polyps are aposymbiotic and must be fed daily and I mean each mouth must be targeted then and only then would it be ok to have. Only for serious Level 5 and above reefkeepers IMO.
Ellegance is for no one unless it is from a healthy multigeneration mother colony. These CAN be ok but you are more than likely to fail with these coral.
Bottom line, stay clear don't buy them and LFSs will stop ordering them which will cause wholealers to stop buying them and they will stay in the ocean where they belong.
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Post by saltybginners on Jun 12, 2009 22:37:06 GMT -5
Ahh well we all have our own likes and dislikes, thats what makes us individuals and not clones I have my doubts about some people...
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Post by boggs32 on Jul 17, 2009 9:37:22 GMT -5
I love sun corals but they are hard to keep. Even if you figure out a way to feed them as much as they need to be fed, they normally get overran with nuisance algaes. Mine got attacked by bubble algae and ended up causing a major bloom in my seahorse tank. Long story short, I no longer have sun corals. Gorgonians on the other hand, I also like and have had great luck with. The purple ribbon gorgonian is the one I started with and it's been thriving for several years now. I just bought my second a few months ago, non-photosynthetic, and all is well. But as it's been said... it's all a matter of opinion
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Post by ADMIN2 on Jul 21, 2009 23:00:33 GMT -5
I love sun corals but they are hard to keep. Even if you figure out a way to feed them as much as they need to be fed, they normally get overran with nuisance algaes. Mine got attacked by bubble algae and ended up causing a major bloom in my seahorse tank. Long story short, I no longer have sun corals. Gorgonians on the other hand, I also like and have had great luck with. The purple ribbon gorgonian is the one I started with and it's been thriving for several years now. I just bought my second a few months ago, non-photosynthetic, and all is well. But as it's been said... it's all a matter of opinion I agree. I think one of the main problems with keeping them is they are in a closed system. So if you can meet their feeding requirements you are probably also polluting their environment too much which ends up causing hair algaes and other problems.
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